Msg: #4628 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
18-JAN-88 08:39 AM
Subj: #4558 - Lear.txt (R)
From: Jim Delton
To: John Lear (X)
Even if cat scans are spaced at 5mm, you have a 50-50 chance that on any single cat scan you will hit the 3mm sphere. I'm not all that familiar with cat scans, but I strongly suspect that the normal 5mm spacing could be reduced if there was some reason to but just taking multiple scans would almost assure taht one would find the 3mm sphere if there was one. I don't doubt that Bub wants a "better way" to find thlem since the current methods somehow "miss"
them.
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Msg: #4630 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
18-JAN-88 08:47 AM
Subj: #4561 - Lear.txt
From: Jim Delton
To: John Lear (X)
Sure copies would be nice. Actually, if you have that lmuch stuff, why not edit it down into a coherent documentary? Does any of it stand on its own or must it all be taken together to synthesize the big picture? How much is antecdotal as opposed to factual or physical?
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Msg: #4635 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
18-JAN-88 09:16 AM
Subj: #4599 - Lear.txt
From: Jim Delton
To: Tom Mickus (X)
Most people don't have Cat scans of their head unless their doctor is looking for something. I think it is fairly safe to assume that if the Dr. saw a mysterious 3mm dot he would want to know what it was.
Msg: #4638 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
18-JAN-88 10:06 AM
Subj: #4558 - Lear.txt
From: Ralph Toscano
To: John Lear (X)
Perhaps X-rays and CAT scans MAY miss these devices... But I don't think a MRI scan would... This may be worth investigating...
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Msg: #4639 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
18-JAN-88 10:10 AM
Subj: #4586 - Lear.txt (R)
From: Ralph Toscano
To: Steve Gresser (X)
MRI is the new name given to the technique called Nuclear Magnetic
Resonance... The AMA didn't like the term "Nuclear", so they renamed the technigue to MRI - Magnetic Resonance Imaging...
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Msg: #4652 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
18-JAN-88 03:23 PM
Subj: #4639 - Lear.txt (R)
From: Jim Delton
To: Ralph Toscano (X)
If it is the device I think it is, you must remove all metal object before being "installed" in the machine. It would quite pemanently ruin a watch due to the high magnetic fields. I think it would find the 3mm sphere's but of course if it didn't then we would be told that was because the EBE's made them out of something that has the same properties as brain matter so it won't show up. There is always ar reason why they can't find them, but it is never because they aren't there.
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Msg: #4692 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
19-JAN-88 09:42 AM
Subj: #4652 - Lear.txt
From: Ralph Toscano
To: Jim Delton (X)
Good point, probably the response we would get...
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Msg: #4672 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
19-JAN-88 02:35 AM
Subj: #4639 - Lear.txt
From: Steve Gresser
To: Ralph Toscano (X)
I knew I heard NMR somewhere - didn't some guy who used to work for the Beatles develope it, or something as weird?
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Msg: #4640 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
18-JAN-88 10:21 AM
Subj: #4605 - Lear.txt (R)
From: Ralph Toscano
To: James Vincent (X)
Actually, the nuclei of many atoms posses angular momentun (spin) and nonvanishing magnetic moments. The former may be characterized by an angular momentum quantum number I (integer or half interger) of the nuclear particles.
As far as is known, stable nuclei with an even number of nuetrons and even number of protons have zero spin and magnetic moment, hence are incapable of exhibiting magnetic resonance. Thus NMR may be observed in insulators, metals, paramagnetic salts, antiferromagnetic substances and other solids, liquids, gases.
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Msg: #4683 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
19-JAN-88 04:27 AM
Subj: #4640 - Lear.txt (R)
From: James Vincent
To: Ralph Toscano (X)
So then I assume MRI could find these "alien brain balls" without too much difficulty...unless of course 3M developed the MRI machines, and conveniently placed some sort of safety feature that "ignored" small spheres secretly planted in the brain...
-=James
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Msg: #4695 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
19-JAN-88 09:48 AM
Subj: #4683 - Lear.txt (R)
From: Ralph Toscano
To: James Vincent (X)
As a matter of fact, the company that I work for North American Philips is ONE of the developers of the MRI(or NMR) system... and as far as I can tell, there is no "safety" feature of the type you describe...
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Msg: #4721 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
20-JAN-88 04:47 AM
Subj: #4695 - Lear.txt (R)
From: Nick Ianuzzi
To: Ralph Toscano (X)
Ah, but what the designers don't (and can't) realize is that the EBEs implanted devices in their brains to prevent them from designing an MRI machine capable of detecting the implanted objects. It's all quite simple when you think about it.
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Msg: #4726 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
20-JAN-88 06:35 AM
Subj: #4721 - Lear.txt
From: Ralph Toscano
To: Nick Ianuzzi
Really?! That's one hell of alot of people... Them there EBE guys musta been pretty durn buzy... That's thousands of people we're talking about here....
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Msg: #4641 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
18-JAN-88 10:32 AM
Subj: #4614 - Lear.txt (R)
From: Ralph Toscano
To: Steve Gresser (X)
In short, a phenomena exhibited by the magnetic spin systems of certain atoms whereby the spin systems absorb energy at specific (resonant) frequencies when subjected to alternating magnetic fields in referred to as Magnetic Resonance... These resonant frequencies can be detected and processed into an image for diagnostic use. With MRI, we are NOT restricted by the location of a
"foreign" body under examination...Or the composition for that matter...
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Msg: #4673 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
19-JAN-88 02:38 AM
Subj: #4641 - Lear.txt (R)
From: Steve Gresser
To: Ralph Toscano (X)
I know, I've seen some of the things that they can do with this sucker.
Imagine being able to not only see a tumor for where it is, but to see it alone, in 3 dimensions (spinning and rotating, and all that) from any angle.
Or to see a skull fracture as it looks from inside the skull, including any shards of bone in the brain. We're talking Star Trek here!
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Msg: #4682 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
19-JAN-88 04:13 AM
Subj: #4673 - Lear.txt (R)
From: James Vincent
To: Steve Gresser (X)
Right, but then what is the one that measures the liquid levels, and all that?
I know there is such a technique. I think.
-=James
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Msg: #4702 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
19-JAN-88 03:16 PM
Subj: #4682 - Lear.txt (R)
From: Steve Gresser
To: James Vincent (X)
Really don't know, James. Mayhaps Ralph can help again?
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Msg: #4719 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
20-JAN-88 02:51 AM
Subj: #4702 - Lear.txt (R)
From: James Vincent
To: Steve Gresser (X)
Yes, where is that Mayhaps Ralph when you need him?
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Msg: #4757 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
21-JAN-88 02:03 AM
Subj: #4719 - Lear.txt (R)
From: Steve Gresser
To: James Vincent (X)
M. Mayhaps Ralph hath doth left me a post - I'll be reading it in a 2400 baud second!
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Msg: #4790 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
22-JAN-88 12:53 AM
Subj: #4757 - Lear.txt (R)
From: James Vincent
To: Steve Gresser (X)
Read and summarize!
-=James
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Msg: #4794 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
22-JAN-88 04:00 AM
Subj: #4790 - Lear.txt
From: Steve Gresser
To: James Vincent (X)
Summary is as follows: Ain't got nothin to do with what we're talking about.
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Msg: #4642 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
18-JAN-88 10:42 AM
Subj: Lear.Txt (R)
From: Ralph Toscano
To: John Lear (X)
John;
I found your statement intriguing to say the least. It would seem that your credibility is quite solid, yet I feel a certain hesitatency about certain statements. And others I feel are mere pooh! As an ex-Air Force Officer, I find it rather incredulous to think that an unknown object could land at an AFB without a near riot occurring... And for ET to "walk" up to the Wing Commander... Well I just can't buy this... I still wonder about why the EBE's are letting you talk.
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Msg: #4645 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
18-JAN-88 12:07 PM
Subj: #4642 - Lear.Txt
From: John Lear
To: Ralph Toscano (X)
Like many of those responding you obviously know very little about what you speak. Bentwaters was one of the best documented UFO with Aliens debarking incidents that the public is aware of. As an ex-Air Force Officer you would be the least qualified to talk about UFO's on a network such as this if for no other reason than JANAP 146. If you can find Gen. Gordon Williams ( I have) go talk to him. He is the one that the aliens went up to. Or you can talk to Col Charles I. Halt (he wrote the memo to the British) or how about Col Ted Conrad or how about Maj. Greg Williams or how about AF Security policeman Larry Warren or how about AFSP Adrian Buztinsa. Q^N$Dae Zw~O Just tell
me how many of these guys you have personally interviewed to make the statements you have. John
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Msg: #4649 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
18-JAN-88 01:59 PM
Subj: #4558 - Lear.txt (R)
From: Sue Miller
To: John Lear (X)
How convenient. Now the devices are only in children. Hmm. Lots of little kids stuff things like beads up their nose.... hmmm. And why is "Bud" not pursuing this any more? Could be he found NOTHING? Nah.
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Msg: #4696 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
19-JAN-88 09:51 AM
Subj: #4649 - Lear.txt (R)
From: Ralph Toscano
To: Sue Miller (X)
How interesting it is that when children are LOSING at a game, they CHANGE the rules to suit themselves...If you get my drift?
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Msg: #4706 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
19-JAN-88 04:31 PM
Subj: #4696 - Lear.txt (R)
From: Sue Miller
To: Ralph Toscano (X)
Yes. I have pretty much dropped out of this discussion for that reason. Sort of like trying to argue with JW's (Jehovah's Witnesses). They have their minds firmly made up, you can't speak logically with them -- and then they tell you you're narrow minded (or stupid, or worship the devil, etc.). Not worth it, really. heheheheheh
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Msg: #4725 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
20-JAN-88 06:32 AM
Subj: #4706 - Lear.txt (R)
From: Ralph Toscano
To: Sue Miller (X)
I feel more or less as you do... However, there is that tiny spark in me that wonders if any of this dung is true... Mind you, a VERY tiny spark!
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Msg: #4733 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
20-JAN-88 08:25 AM
Subj: #4725 - Lear.txt (R)
From: Jim Delton
To: Ralph Toscano (X)
It may be true (it could happen) that some alien probe found its way here and crashed in Roswell NM. It could also be true that our government retrieved it and covered it up. I don't find that assertion too hard to swallow. We sent out a number of probes and I beleive a few were specifically intended to be
"greeting cards" in the event they ever make it to some other inhabited planet. It doesn't seem reall likely, but it is possible and one might even say reasonable. Now to take that and expand it to the whole alien invasion thing, that requires almost a complete suspension of all disbelief and reason.
That doesn't mean it isn't true, but it would require more "proof" then has been forthcoming so far.
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Msg: #4735 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
20-JAN-88 11:29 AM
Subj: #4733 - Lear.txt
From: Ralph Toscano
To: Jim Delton (X)
Agree completely! -- Especially after learning how eccentric "certain"
individuals may be...
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Msg: #4745 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
20-JAN-88 07:03 PM
Subj: #4733 - Lear.txt
From: John Aultman
To: Jim Delton (X)
Exactly my thoughts. No disrespect intended to John Lear, but I've seen claims of this sort before (they go back to the fifties), and although almost all have had statements regarding evidence, none of it has ever come forth.
I think that one explanation for UFOs to be taken seriously is alien life;
and in that respect, it is conceivable that one has crashed, and we could have recovered it and kept that secret. However, the rest of the story requires far more than anyone's word. It requires absolute proof.
John
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Msg: #4651 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
18-JAN-88 03:08 PM
Subj: #4600 - Lear.txt (R)
From: Jim Delton
To: Tom Mickus (X)
I do not see why you or anyone for that matter thinks that the media are somehow remiss in their coverage of UFO topics. Every time they provide any serious coverage they are presented with nothing but antecdotes, vague allegations, blurry photos, etc. I'm suprised they give it any coverage. They still have some desire to maintain their credibility and reporting the typical unbeleiveable, undocumented UFO story would hardly bolster the low opinion many people have of the media anyways. It seems you want it both ways, you don't seem to think much of the media, but you want them tho cover your story your way when you want it.
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Msg: #4664 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
18-JAN-88 10:20 PM
Subj: #4651 - Lear.txt
From: Sysop
To: Jim Delton (X)
You're wrong, Jim. They have been presented with government documents which show a clear intent to hide something from the American public. What that something is may very well be quite mundane, but then why hide it for forty years?
We don't want them to report the typical, unbelievable, undocumented UFO story. But when we present them with an atypical, unique, well-documented report from numerous credible witnesses with multiple independent photographs, we not only want coverage, we want an in-depth investigation. That's their job.
Jim
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Msg: #4699 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
19-JAN-88 01:17 PM
Subj: #4687 - Lear.txt (R)
From: Sysop
To: Jim Delton (X)
I will read Veil. Sounds interesting. Will you read Night Siege?
Jim
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Msg: #4728 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
20-JAN-88 07:44 AM
Subj: #4699 - Lear.txt
From: Jim Delton
To: Sysop (X)
I will read it if at all possible.
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Msg: #4720 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
20-JAN-88 02:55 AM
Subj: This Lear thingy. (R)
From: James Vincent
To: Most everybody...
Okay, I've read LEAR.TXT seven times now. Did he really mean to give away our secret defense against the aliens when he mentioned SDI? Or is he saying the aliens know about it, and aren't worried? Input please...
-=James
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Msg: #4732 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
20-JAN-88 08:19 AM
Subj: #4720 - This Lear thingy. (R)
From: Jim Delton
To: James Vincent (X)
That is just one of the many questions that John has not answered. I think he must have concluded we are all too gullible.
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Msg: #4781 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
21-JAN-88 09:59 PM
Subj: #4732 - This Lear thingy.
From: Craig Kraft
To: Jim Delton (X)
The aliens drank his Vital bodily fluids for revealing their secret.....
Craig
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Msg: #4758 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
21-JAN-88 02:04 AM
Subj: #4720 - This Lear thingy. (R)
From: Steve Gresser
To: James Vincent (X)
Number Five is ALIVE! Need INPUUUTTT.....
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Msg: #4791 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
22-JAN-88 12:54 AM
Subj: #4758 - This Lear thingy.
From: James Vincent
To: Steve Gresser (X)
Tee Hee Hee!
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Msg: #4740 (P) Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
20-JAN-88 04:11 PM
Subj: Mr. Lear (R)
From: Sue Miller
To: ralph toscano (X)
I expect that we were just too "dumb" and "gullible" for our friend John. Or maybe "they" have come and taken him away? The aliens, I mean. Or the guys in white coats, eh?
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Msg: #4765 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
21-JAN-88 07:49 AM
Subj: #4740 - Mr. Lear
From: Ralph Toscano
To: Sue Miller (X)
Quite likely...You know what they say...if you're poor - you're nuts, but if you're wealthy you're eccentric...
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Msg: #4838 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
23-JAN-88 10:52 AM
Subj: #4832 - Lear.txt
From: Steve Gresser
To: James Vincent (X)
Yeah, well, dat's lyfe in da big sitee!
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